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measuring a transmitter output power

Is anyone familiar with "direct" and "indirect" power readings of AM transmitters, specifically for the SSTRAN transmitters?  I'm curious of how to do this and what equipment is recommended.  Presumably use a volt/ohm meter.

I'm not an engineer, so keep it simple if you can help.

I am interested in keeping a log much like the FCC would require of a broadcast station and need to figure out how to read the power and calibrate equipment.

Voluntary Consusltant Signing On

This will be a very interesting thread about professional style transmitter management.

I have a few things to contribute which are waiting in file folders, but I need to stall because of over-booked schedule.

So, keep this thread alive for a few months!

Carl Blare

Determination of Transmitter Output Power

Is anyone familiar with "direct" and "indirect" power readings of AM transmitters ...

The direct method uses an accurate r-f wattmeter to measure the r-f power dissipated in a test (dummy) load of a known impedance.  The wattmeter must be designed for the frequency, and the impedance of the output load in use.

The indirect method uses an efficiency factor, F, which is determined by dividing the accurately known r-f output power measured as stated in the paragraph above by the accurately known d-c input power at the output electrode of the final r-f amplifier of the transmitter.  The d-c input power multiplied by factor F is the r-f output power of that transmitter, for those test/operating conditions.

Issues here for Part 15 AM systems are:

-  Their load impedance is almost never known, and unlikely to equal the value of the test load and power meter used, and

-  The instrumentation needed for accurate, direct r-f power measurement is relatively expensive

What if I can borrow the

What if I can borrow the instrument to read the direct RF? Presumably I'm in business on that point then.

So, Rich, if you wanted to simulate a broadcast station log, to the best of your ability, what information would you record?  I examined a file at the FCC called "EB18AM09_2009" in PDF. It's for AM station and their logs.  I'm thinking I'd like to try and qualify for the Certified Broadcast Technologist with the SBE.  The SBE will want some kind of submission to consider certification.  If I'm keeping a simulated log like an AM station I would think it would help.  I haven't yet gotten a straight answer from SBE on what qualifies.

 

 

Centinel

SBE

SBE Certification requirements are posted at:

 

http://www.sbe.org/sections/CBT.php

 

My guess is you'd have to pass their exam.  I've been certified member for several years. Either pass the exam, or have a First Phone or Amateur Extra with a record of service in the industry for the specified number of years.

As the FCC no longer even requires transmitter logs, what you include on them depends on your circumstances. The commercial AM I work for now logs output power in watts, antenna current, and reflected power.  Then of course all the varying parameters required for the night pattern after sunset and sunrise (we're directional at night) which is way beyond the scope of any Part 15.  We used to log plate current, plate voltage, and antenna current -- but with no plate with the new solid state transmitter, we do things the "modern" way.  LOL.

For my Part 15 I keep tabs on a set of field intentsity readings taken at the same points around town every so often. My advantage is that as a broadcast engineer in real life I have the necessary equipment to do so.

You might consider buying or building a simple, uncalibrated field strength meter that will give a decent reading near your antenna.  Note the reading, and check it every so often to see if there's any significant variation in received strength from time to time. That's about the best you can do. Any sort of actual output readings (with equipment available so far) will need to be connected in line with your antenna, using up some of the power available for transmitting, and again would be inacurrate as th odds of getting a setup that would work with the frequency and impedence of your antenna load is not likely.

TIB

About Reply 4

So, Rich, if you wanted to simulate a broadcast station log, to the best of your ability, what information would you record?

Tim (TIB) made a good post to give more insight into this subject.

 

Something from the past

A year or two back it seems somebody

had the exact points inside an AMT-3000

where one could take voltage and/or (???)

current measurements.  Then these 

measurements were plugged into a math

formula (?) or equation (?) to get input 

power.  Then some efficiency factor

(50 percent or whatever) is used to figure

the output.  Not quite what we want here, but

it's a little more info, I guess.

It's a lot of fun (I think) to travel around

within the Part 15 station's coverage area

and take strength readings of any type

and observe how they all change relative

to each other.  You will see some weird things.

Brooce, Part 15, Hartford

 

 

NOISE AND STATIC RADIO

Measuring the AMT-3000 Final Input Power

Congrats for getting on the air.

Here's a link to a post I put up years ago about measuring the DC final input power for the SSTRAN AMT-3000 transmitter.

http://www.part15.us/forum/part15-forums/general-discussion/amt3000-inpu...

Neil

 

Neil, that's the post I remember.

But 11 years ago?  Somebody else might

have reposted it more recently?

Where DOES the time go?

Brooce

...Eleven YEARS?

NOISE AND STATIC RADIO

Would this DIY work for us?

Did a little Google snooping and found this.

http://www.cromwell-intl.com/radio/power-meter.html

It says something about a 50 ohm load but I don't know if that means this too is unusable.

 

 

Centinel

Update

The designer of the aforementioned replied to me and said it would be of some use for a transmitter power reading but not an antenna.

Is it antennas or transmitters I'm usually hearing about wanting to read on Part15.us?

 

 

Centinel

Measuring Power Delivered to Antenna in Part15 AM System

Here's a link to a post I made which describes how I tuned and measured the power delivered to my Part 15 AM antenna system.  It does not require a known or 50 ohm antenna load.

http://www.part15.us/forum/part15-forums/general-discussion/rf-current-t...

Neil

 

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