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AM Broadcast Service in the Expanded Band, 1610-1700 kHz

As in this old petition can we bind together to make a new petition to start an am docket to petition the FCC to allow for reasonable power and real change in the AM part 15 stations who show responsibility and show they can follow the rules and do the right thing for the right reasons for our communities.OLD petition to allow for AM low power stations to have better signals and better chance to serve done their communities don't  agree with everthing this gent said but alot of it makes sense ...

https://www.change.org/p/william-t-lake-media-division-federal-communica...

We Promise To Be Good

What a smart idea! It makes such good sense that it may fail because this is not a period in our history for doing things that make sense.

The only change I'd make is the wording of this: "This rule change should NOT apply to "unintentional radiators" which, if anything, should have their restrictions tightened."

No. Instead, say it this way: This rule change should not apply to unintentional radiators which, if anything, should have their restrictions ENFORCED.

We promise that we will use our Watt in the best interest of the nebulous community.

Carl Blare

 The first thing that needs

 The first thing that needs to happen is that in any petition you have to think of the folks who don't have mass amounts of land. Also you must think about people who live in apartment dwellings in which case might not have their transmitter on the ground.

 

That being said a lot could be done simply by loosening the ground rules or simply abolishing them entirely. 100 milliwatts can do quite nicely with a long radiating ground lead.

 

Next get rid of the three meter antenna limit. That in itself would allow the 100 MillermW to do its best and be more efficient.

 

If I were to change the power limits for a more greater amount of power I would say 500 milliwatts to 1 watt. This should get you two to three miles to a decent radio and allow for an audience to a small town or community.

 

 if a talking house if a talking house transmitter we're allowed one wot into the wire that comes with it you could probably get out of mile and have the wire simply going out your window and up a pipe like a PVC pipe. This makes for an easy install where the hobby operator could serve a small community and actually get listeners.

 

 in the in the petition you must mention that how operators can broadcast weather information into rural areas or areas where as not everyone has internet access. This would demonstrate a need for more power and loosening of the rules.

Progressive Rock (Album Rock, Deep Tracks), Classic Rock

http://thelegacy.shorturl.com

More Power for Hobby Broadcasters

http://the-initiative.boards.net/

I hope we can discuss this Sunday during metting
You mean Saturday at the ALPB

You mean Saturday at the ALPB Meeting?  We also have an activist website  (the ALPB is not an activist group) for soldiers of change.  http://the-initiative.boards.net as we are looking for die-hard  who will not accept anything from the it cannot happen Club.

 

We need folks who have the  communication and grammar skills to write a petition that is Ironclad and will stick. These type of people probably need to have at least some knowledge of how the law works or the government works. Military experience is a big help.

 

To gain more power on any of these frequencies rather be AM or FM it will take real world test and real-world experience. So if you know people in different countries where as they're allowed more power than the current part 15 levels please share that with us as well.

 

 Merging on forward the service will be a separate service for hobby radio whereas it is not an expensive long drawn-out process to be able to get on the air as a hobby operator. Yet at the same time have some decent range we're talking at least one to two miles of high-quality signal.

 

 We will also be educating the public by doing Radio shows dealing with the subject matter and making sure that people understand that right now Hobbie Radio is not respected by the FCC. In the future we would like to change that and make it a respectable service whereas people will embrace it nationwide.

 

We hope to see these headstrong folks as members who will work until the deed is done. Thanks once again.

 

 Those that are truly ready can have the elite password and get access to our special section where there is some very sensitive information there. Again you must have a very open mind and be dead set on being a warrior for change.

Progressive Rock (Album Rock, Deep Tracks), Classic Rock

http://thelegacy.shorturl.com

More Power for Hobby Broadcasters

http://the-initiative.boards.net/

Legacy: The first thing that

Legacy: The first thing that needs to happen is that in any petition you have to think of the folks who don't have mass amounts of land. Also you must think about people who live in apartment dwellings.. ..loosening the ground rules.. 100 milliwatts can do quite nicely with a long radiating ground lead.. ..get rid of the three meter antenna limit.. ..would allow the 100 MillermW to do its best and be more efficient.. ..greater amount of power I would say 500 milliwatts to 1 watt. This should get you two to three miles to a decent radio and allow for an audience to a small town or community.. This makes for an easy install where the hobby operator could serve a small community and actually get listeners.. ..mention that how operators can broadcast weather information.. ..This would demonstrate a need for more power and loosening of the rules."

Something I've tried to emphasize numerous times is how extremely unlikely they will ever so much as consider relaxing part 15 rules to enable the hobby crowd to acheive greater ranges.. The parks and recreations departments had fought hard for that. The National Highway Departments have fought for that, and also numerous hobby orientated groups have also fought for that several times.. in every case it has always been quickly denied and always will.

The ONLY plausible possibilty would be for a new classification of low power broadcasting.. which if it ever was to happen, they would severly limit the content you could air (like public service announcements and weather, and traffic... IE: the existing TIS stations)

The only other possibility is to wait for a compleate collaspe of the established system, and then you can broadcast any distance and air what ever you please in anarchy.

Forget Part 15 relaxation, it's a pointless quest, it is hardly even an official broadcasting medium, it is a protection device for licenced broadcasters, there's a better chance of restricting it further than there is to relax it.

Try to wake up.

Rich Powers Part15, Take 2..

Reasonable Counsel

End80 advises:  "Try to wake up."

Carl Blare grabs a seat at the table and asks, "What's for breakfast?"

The rest of my message is deleted with 15-minutes on the clock.

Carl Blare

I'm Not Sure Of What I Just Said

I'm deleting this, too.

Carl Blare

I got to read it before you

I got to read it before you deleted... Not sure why you deleted it, it was a good point.

Rich Powers Part15, Take 2..

Anarchy will happen soon

Anarchy will happen soon enough when the translators all go live and rouin legal FM broadcasting.  It will get ugly soon enough and I'll have a frount row seat when the games begin.

Progressive Rock (Album Rock, Deep Tracks), Classic Rock

http://thelegacy.shorturl.com

More Power for Hobby Broadcasters

http://the-initiative.boards.net/

Glad You Saw My Deleted Post

I'm very pleased you saw the post that I deleted, Rich Powers.

I was driven to write it based partly on what you posted previous to my post as well as a general annoyance over .... what I talked about.

I took it away because I don't think it's within my authority to publish such bossy authoritarian criticisms over what other members say.

And I thought it might be something of a bump toward new members who innocently wander into the same territory.

Gotta go measure my antenna.

Carl Blare

Is He a Prophet or a Psychic

Keep track of what TheLegacy writes about.... he always seems to know the future as well as what the FCC is thinking based on their actions...

"Anarchy will happen soon enough when the translators all go live and rouin legal FM broadcasting.  It will get ugly soon enough and I'll have a frount row seat when the games begin."

It sounds like TheLegacy plans to enjoy the anarchy, so what is there to complain about?

Carl Blare

It always gets ugly before it

It always gets ugly before it gets better.  Just like a rotery antenna when you watched an analog TV signal and aimed your antenna towards the direction of the station.

 

Its just the way things go in history as well.  Hell look at all the fights for freedom.  Things always went to the ugly side before someone got any smarts.

 

Funny too how some of these 1 Watt FM translators are called "useful" when the FCC took away the LP-10 stations because it was called a non useful signal and only caused interfeerence.  Its funny how companies twist things to suit themselves while people who should know about Radio allow it to fly by without notice.

 

The more things change, the more they stay the same in some respects.

Progressive Rock (Album Rock, Deep Tracks), Classic Rock

http://thelegacy.shorturl.com

More Power for Hobby Broadcasters

http://the-initiative.boards.net/

One More Dig

The more things stay the same the more things don't change.

Carl Blare

Oh I have to point out I read

Oh I have to point out I read the post on the ALPB how there was little to no complaints about translators in the last 36 months.  Funny too how some of these translators are less than 100 Watts (the very thing that certain Ah-Hem organizations said would cause interference).

 

So what was the magic pill there?  And can't this be taken to drive in a home run for those who want more power?  Is there something I missread over at the ALPB?  Maybe I dreamed that up and I was just having another brain fart.

Progressive Rock (Album Rock, Deep Tracks), Classic Rock

http://thelegacy.shorturl.com

More Power for Hobby Broadcasters

http://the-initiative.boards.net/

Links?

If you are quoting, paraphrasing, or referencing a post on another board, forum or site then it would be helpful to provide a link to same.

Neil

 

A translator's power output

A translator's power output is determine the same way as LPFM. For example our Low Power station operates at 86 watts. This is based on antenna height, elevation and other factors. But in the end it equates to 100 watts ERP. The same factors on translators equate to 250 watts ERP. So if you have a translator licensed at say 18 watts, there are other factors you are not taking into consideration.

Druid Hills Radio AM-1710- Dade City, FL. Unlicensed operation authorized by the Part 15 Department of the FCC and our Resident Hobby Agent.  

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